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Episode 2: Peeling Back the Rikers Island Debate and Jail Reform in New York with Mike Caruso

On this episode, Norm Seabrook takes a deep dive into New York City’s controversial plan to close Rikers Island and replace it with four borough-based jails that could cost taxpayers as much as $16 billion or more. Joined by longtime corrections official Mike Caruso, Norm examines the real costs, the policy decisions behind the plan, and whether rebuilding and reforming Rikers might be a more practical solution. The conversation also explores the breakdown in correctional management over the years, the impact of bail reform and criminal justice policy, and the challenges facing correction officers, inmates, and the city as a whole. Norm also discusses rising violence among young people, the need for stronger community engagement, and why addressing mental health and youth outreach must be part of the conversation about public safety in New York.

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